It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. of their 165-grain bullet yet, but we guesstimated it should be at least .650 G1 and approaching .70. Lots of familiar rifles are chambered for it, ammo is abundant, variable and inexpensive. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. The answer is higher allowed chamber pressure. They dont start as fast but with better aerodynamics, theyll pass lighter slugs at mid-range, and hit way out there with more authority. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. These days certain 6.5mms have been growing in popularity despite relatively light bullets and muzzle velocities well under 3,000 fps. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. . I've got an MRC X3 I am going to rebarrel. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. Google a 270 win - 280 rem comparison and it will tell you all you need to know. of .414 or so, the 210-gr. 28 Nosler barrel life is around 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. Why I believe the actual on target energy is about the same as felt recoil. Most hunters dont absolutely need such long, heavy bullets for effective performance at responsible game-taking distances, but beyond 300 yards they do flatten trajectories, minimize wind deflection, and maximize retained energy. Second, since .30-caliber bullets must be even heavier to compete in the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) race, a magnum 7mm recoils significantly less than a magnum .30. Mag. Mag. could be chambered in the standard Model 70 rifles of the day and eventually most other standard length bolt action rifles. Bullets engineered to expand at 7mm terminal velocities are the ticket, and there are plenty of them. Mag. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Jim. So match your 7mm elk dreams to your recoil tolerance and select among this big family. Start with the .30/30 Winchester and climb until your nose bleeds. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. Reno Nevada. Its a bolt action looking quite a bit like an AR-15. With greater frontal area (than a .30) and heavy bullets, the .338 will do this. bullets. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. will want to try the more radical-looking SIG Cross in .277 Fury. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler is 400fps faster than a 270 Win, and 300fps faster than a 270 WSM at the muzzle. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. The Barnes penetrate . Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. In fact, the first time my friend, who is a seasoned shooter himself, shot my 28 Nosler, he got scoped! Call me crazy but the 117hh at 3700 would be hard to beat at 500yds. Well, the 27 Nosler shoots flatter than the 6.5 PRC, and delivers more energy on target than the 300 Win. Any cartridge in a caliber big enough to hit an elk hard hits you hard, too. Today most ammo makers also offer 225-grain bullets in a variety of controlled expansion configurations that retain mass well enough to penetrate better than the original 250-grain cup/core styles while delivering equal, sometimes more muzzle energy thanks to higher muzzle velocity. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. Obviously velocity is also a ballistics indicator and on the side of the coin, a 400 grain 416 clobbers most anything. Mag. Heavier bullets. After years of hunting and shooting from Africa to Alaska, I think most get cartridge enery wrong. The .338 Win. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. The .30/30, .300 Savage, .30/06, .300 Win. They shoot flatter, kick less, and with the great modern bullets we have, they do the job! Mag., and elk hardly know the difference. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. How much will it cost? Just be aware that shot angles and placement do become critical as bullet mass and energy decline. If recoil doesnt bother you, Id look hard at the .300 WSM, .325 WSM, even the new 6.8 Western, agonize over a 24-inch barrel, and probably compromise with a 23-inch barrel. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. Thats 1,000 psi less than the little .22/250 Remington. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Energy and velocity are more indicators of bullet performance ability, along with penetration at range. This new 10mm from FN is rugged, versatile, and effective. Hit an elk with a 175-gr. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Its just too convenient and effective to go away. Mag. bullet like the Swift Scirocco will retain 2,350 ft-lb at 400 yards, 1,500 ft-lb clear out at 600 yards. Flatter trajectories. I have tremendous respect for elk. Another desirable choice is the also-scarce .358 Winchester, and I took a fine Colorado bull with a Marlin in .338 Marlin Express, a great cartridge. Measured in foot pounds of energy, the .28 Nosler is a powerhouse. There are several more options if you purchase online or order your loads from a local store, but you should be aware that those who dont reload and purchase from local shops will likely not have many options. Nov 7, 2022. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. . I warned you this is a big family. I think .277 caliber is going to be the next big thing imo..it will be the next craze similar to the 6.5s..if you get a 27 nosler you will just be getting in ahead of the game. Well, as the majority of us are primarily deer hunters, and the .270 Winchester handles deer and similar sized game so well, I dont think that will come to pass. Clearly there is no one right answer. This is a great site and I love the reviews but there are some inconsistencies. I put a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x scope on my rifle, so the finished setup weighed 31.2 ounces. A high B.C. Federal Terminal Ascent Hunting Bullet: Field Review, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. If you can't get it done with the 27 nosler, you won't get it done with the 28 nosler. You would get about 3,250 fps with the 26 Nosler with 140 grain bullets. bear a closer comparison. Just 3,000 fps. but it is not a 1,000. yard Elk rifle it requires skill. I know small-framed hunters who happily pay the gravitational price for packing Granddads M1886 Winchester lever-action in .45/70. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. Mag.,) the 27 Nosler should be able to nudge a 165-grain along at 3,100 fps, perhaps 3,150 fps. The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. My picks for the best elk hunting calibers are what I consider the best, not the most popular. 27 Nosler sets a new standard. There are some great 7mm bullets! With this bullet, each elk dropped in it's tracks with only one shot, all between 100-350 yards away. How about outstanding accuracy, flat trajectories, long legs and a 165gr wallop at the end of that ballistic journey? Before we begin, you should understand that this is a round up of the best calibers and cartridges for elk, not necessarily the most popular ones. It will work but a little much. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. In local stores, you are unlikely to find anything other than Hornadys Precision Hunter 162-grain ELD-X, or a Noslers 175-grain Trophy Hunter load with an Accubond bullet. Jan 29, 2023 #2 Dang about a month ago shooters pro had blems for $16/25. Mags. I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. .270 Winchester. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. With a muzzle brake (included with the X-bolt Pro, the gun is quite tolerable. Many argue this about the .28-calibers, too, but the old 7mm Remington Magnum remains, since its inception in 1962, the most popular and effective 7mm elk caliber in the mountains. They are still out there but getting scarce. at 3,000 fps. The factory ammo and brass is cheaper for the 28 Nosler. The Nosler version should be even better. Last year, I purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in .28 Nosler. The result is a standard setting offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. For over 90 years, American hunters have taken to the field in pursuit of nearly all the game the lower 48 states have to offer with a trusty 270 in hand. Required fields are marked *. But that doesnt seem to matter. Some folks will take any attempt to improve the .270 Winchester as a direct insult, yet I disagree: like the .22-250 Remington and .35 Whelen, an improved twist rate can really change the game altogether, and this is exactly what the 27 Nosler has done. bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. A year later, I couldnt be happier with my purchase. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. Some shoot faster and hit harder than the .338 Win. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Most 225-grain factory loads are rated 2,750 to 2,800 fps, enough velocity to put about 3,900 ft-lb of energy into that little bullet. Like the.350 Legend as an elk cartridge. Faster models like .270 Wby. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. With archery energy is not the killing factor, yet arrows kill big elk quickly. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Modern 6.5s, whether slow like the Creedmoor or fast like the PRC, are limited to 140-grain bullets, also light for elk-sized animals. The elk offers a huge vital zone. One of the shots put the wildebeest flat on the ground immediately. A standard .270 Winchester can do that, right? Super pressure, if you will. Joined Feb 19, 2010 Messages 3,240 Location GODS COUNTRY IDAHO. Lots of things still to be determined, but at least the .277-inch bullet size is getting some new life. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. I did as instructed, leveling the crosshair of the Leupold VX-3HD on the onside shoulder, and breaking the trigger of the Nosler Model 21 rifle, sending a 150-grain Nosler AccuBond on its way to make meat. The tougher the terrain, the lighter. Published Feb 26, 2020 3:21 PM EST. No matter, people are shooting at elk at longer ranges, and todays rifles, optics, and bullets will get there. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. When it first came out in 1962, it sent the then four-year-old .264 Winchester Magnum into a tailspin. And we dont mean the old .270 Winchester. loads top out with 200-grain bullets, 210-, 220-, and 230-grain options are available. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. By this measurement, the .28 Nosler is one of the best elk cartridges for long range shooting. But times change. in the mid .4s to low .5s, good enough to provide maximum point blank range of 320 to 340 yards on a 10-inch target zone. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The old .30-06 remains an awesome elk cartridge. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. But where it deviates from its barrel-diameter brethren is in case capacity. It will them be 3.0 inches high at 260 yards and 3.0 inches low at about 326 yards. Read Next: 10 Great Guns That We Wish Were Still Being Made. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. may have inspired Winchester to bring out its marvelous .300 magnum the very next year. Okay, maybe not a pallet, but a lot. Your taste in rifle weight, mass, and recoil will color your choices. The 7mm family hatched around 1892 with the 7x57mm Mauser and has since grown to fifteen or more. Nonsense. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. 1 Write a Review Q&A (2) Our Price: $110.99. I tested the new cartridge at the bench in both the Nosler Model 21 and Nosler Model 48 rifles, and was pleased with the results; the 165-grain load averaged just under -MOA, and the 150-grain load just under one-MOA. Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. Shot placement and bullet performance cause quick humane kills. The cartridge is a proven performer. But .300 Win. Foot-pounds aside, I think elk-sized animals are better taken with heavier bullets than are essential for your typical deer round. This takes us back to the launch. Just make sure you have the best rifle for the terrain you intend to hunt. I would go with the 28. A traditional stock or adjustable? ), Read Next: The Best New Guns, Ammo, and Hunting Gear from SHOT Show 2020, Nosler representatives couldnt tell me the B.C. Sure, I had to consider the drop and adjust for the downhill, still not a difficult shot, and the bull went nowhere. launched 2,600 fps will still be churning some 1,800 ft-lb energy. With its case capacity (98.4 grains water compared to about 80 grains in a .270 Wby. For example: Fire a Nosler 168-gr. More weight and a higher BC equals more energy to transfer to the target. Short action chamberings are likely to be in shorter, lighter rifles, so instead of a .338 Win. It was and still is Everymans (and womans) 30 magnum. That 165-grain ABLR has a G1 BC of 0.620, offering great performance in even the windiest of conditions, as well as retaining energy and delivering a flat trajectory. With such a rifle, we are expecting a shot at less than 100 yards. The 225-grain load in an eight-pound rifle should generate about 40.8 ft-lb of recoil energy. Or even ten. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Re: 27 Nosler vs 28 Nosler. Finally, the puny 6.8 SPC from Remington appeared about 2004. Not faster, not always more accurate, but designed around modern bulletswhich really do offer a long-range advantage. Mag. Sales bloomed immediately when it released. Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. The classic was, is, and remains a lever-action chambered to something larger than .30-caliber.
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